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Why don't we see this attitude more?

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#1 STILL
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posted 09-14-2000 03:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for STILL   Click Here to Email STILL     Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
http://www.upside.com/News/39c0353b0_yahoo.html

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#2 notesleb
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posted 09-14-2000 04:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for notesleb   Click Here to Email notesleb     Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
Good question.

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#3 KennyLee
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posted 09-14-2000 04:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for KennyLee   Click Here to Email KennyLee     Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
Well, we are seeing a lot more of it. Don Henley, ChuckD, IceT, and in this case Courtney Love are taking on the RIAA labels.

Roger McGuinn testified at the Senate hearings. Bonnie Raitt and others have led efforts to get royalties paid to artists.

There's more of this going on than we think.

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#4 deel
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posted 09-14-2000 06:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for deel   Click Here to Email deel     Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
Roger McGuinn was sitting next to micheal robbersome at the hearings and only said that his music was getting some exposure by a younger generation.
there was no mention (from what i saw of it) about copyrights. In other words he was sucking up.
i must admit i enjoy hearing that some bigger artists are going after mp3.con.
but in the end the independent artist still takes the hit.
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There's more of this going on than we think.

yes there is, on all sides.
it is just that the dudes with the money and lawyers will inevitable surface sooner with some sort of arrangement that benefits them.


the information superhighway will be overtaken by e-commerce. this "new" e-commerce highway is going to plow right by the average joe with a cd for sale.
this average joe (meaning an unsigned unknown artist) will be able to access this e-commerce highway, much like the average joe has to drive 15 miles out of thier way to arrive at a spot that is only 2 miles from where they started. when a new road is built you need easements and access rights to connect a driveway to it. if the road is a big highway only the ones with big money and power will get the driveway.

if the independent artist is still looking for a place to access this e-commerce highway, they better have the cash in hand to pay for thier own certificate and secure server.

or for bigger exposure from a larger site expect the percentage of your "cut" to be drastically smaller than you would like, and more than likely you will be required to "sign" with the site/label.

i have truely been looking for some sort of "light at the end of this online music tunnel" for nearly a year now. and without serious cash investment, that light continues to evade the independent artist.

the only good thing i can see that all of this has produced for me, is that it has tested my faith in my ownself and the reason i started to play music in the first place, because i like too.

the sad part is that i could care less if anyone else ever hears it.

i would rather it rot on the tape than give it away for free again.

which kinda defeats the whole purpose of pursuing a "carreer" in music.

deel


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#5 dond
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posted 09-14-2000 09:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for dond   Click Here to Email dond     Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
Deel,

That was a great post, and, you hit the nail on the head, and, made me think! Thank you!

You're correct about the money aspect. To get exposure, and access, to a large web audience requires cubic cash!

"FREE" is a 4 letter word, beginning with F, in my vocabulary too. I want to earn a living making music. I can't afford a hobby.


Finding the capital, and, getting the cash to be an indie music producer is a never ending problem!

For me, treating the web as a sales adjunct, and, relying on live gigs to move product has been the answer. I can survive on the live event sales. All the internet sales are found money! It amounts to only 5% of our total sales at present.

Someday, the net will be a powerful sales tool. Today, it's still a toy. The profits from live event sales are providing the money to support our web site. Without performing live, we couldn't afford to "play" on the net. This is a slow learning curve for tomorrow.

In the future, I hope that internet growth will change that scenario, but, I think it's going to take awhile for that dream to come true.

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#6 STILL
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posted 09-14-2000 11:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for STILL   Click Here to Email STILL     Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
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For me, treating the web as a sales adjunct, and, relying on live gigs to move product has been the answer.

That's it right there.

My recent re-purposing in this direction has literally changed everything in terms of how well I'm doing.

I couldn't agree more.......

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#7 Bruce Satinover
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posted 09-22-2000 06:13 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Bruce Satinover   Click Here to Email Bruce Satinover     Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
deel,

that was an interesting post and I can appreciate your frustration. I hope you find it in you to let your music be heard as I'm selfish and would like to be able to hear it.

I'd also be interested in buying a sound recording if one is available and of course I'd like to play your material on ArtistLaunch.

I don't mean to spam the thread, I have taken both approaches and come to the realization that the real world actually has more to offer than the mp3 scene.

That said I still attempt to use the scene as a place to find new listeners.

If you wish to put out a good quality CD please email me. I'll be happy to help out gratis.

Bruce

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